Apprenticeship: A Conversation with Gary Moon
Monday, October 19, 2009
Another day,
I enjoy introducing you to friends. This week, Gary Moon is that friend. And Gary introduces us to a new lifestyle. Welcome to Apprenticeship. Welcome to my conversation with Gary, who actually introduces us to a True Friend. Prepare to read, to learn, to enjoy. Prepare to be changed.
Gary, tell us about yourself.
For the past 16 years my primary work has been with Richmont Graduate University (formerly Psychological Studies Institute) where I now serve as Vice President and Chair of Integration.
We have two campuses-Atlanta and Chattanooga-and we offer graduate education in counseling with an integration of a Christian world view with professional practice.
I also serve as the director of the Renovare Institute for Christian Spiritual Formation and as an editor of the Conversations Journal. And in the not too distant past-thanks to Greg Hearn-I've done some fun work for LifeSprings Resources.
What motivated you to write Apprenticeship with Jesus?
The word discipleship has not aged well. When the term is used today it often conjures images of Sunday school classes where people sit passively and learn facts about Jesus-or perhaps about spiritual laws for witnessing. Maybe Jesus' original band of disciples come to mind, but if so, they are likely to be seen sitting in a circle around Jesus, passively, absorbing facts.
The word apprenticeship is used to emphasize the experiential approach that is taken in this book-and the way that Jesus actually trained his students. The focus is upon learning to become like Jesus by learning to be with Jesus as we live the moments of our day.
I believe that Jesus used the second approach-an apprenticeship training program.
But the main motivation was trying to help solve the problem of why Christians continue to look so much like non-Christians, why the lack of transformation seems to be the elephant in the sanctuary. I think that following an apprenticeship model for "disciple-making" helps to solve this problem.
What is the main theme of the book?
That it is actually possible to become like Jesus-to live a transformed life-if we re-arrange the way we live and enter into an intentional apprenticeship with Jesus.
How can we live those principles in our hurried, rushed, nonstop world?
I think it helps to realize the hurry not only is the devil, it might be the devil. As Thomas Kelly said it in his classic book Testament of Devotion: "Life from the Center is a life of unhurried peace and power. It is simple. It is serene. It is amazing. It is triumphant. It is radiant. It takes no time but occupies all our time. And it makes our life programs new and overcoming. We need not get frantic. He is at the helm. And when our little day is done we lie down quietly in peace, for all is well."
But the question this quote leaves on the table is: How do I learn to live "from the Center?" I believe at least three things are crucial to live this kind of life. 1) We must have a vision that it is possible; 2) We must intend to live it-that is, we must desire to live a different kind of life, a with-God life, more than anything else; and 3) We must find the "means" to do so. The Apprenticeship book is about finding the means to live as Jesus would live my life if he were me.
How can local churches in our culture begin grasping the truth about Apprenticeship?
Dallas Willard has said that the two biggest obstacles to authentic transformation are: 1) caring too much about the opinions of others; and 2) caring too much about money. Along those lines, I think the first thing a local church would need to do is a fearless self-assessment, asking the tough questions, have we come to care too much about our reputation and about money. What I'm trying to say is that it is very important to get first things, first, to build on a solid foundation. An apprenticeship model cannot work if the foundation of a church or a person is sand, instead of solid ground. After that, and at the risk of seeming redundant, I think spiritual transformation is a matter of vision, intention and means.
What keeps us from going in that direction?
It is far easier to be frightened-by a well-meaning evangelist-into saying a magic phrase and then giving God a little of our time than it is to accept a personal cross and then enter into a life-long apprenticeship with Jesus. But the problem is, all the promises about abundant life, and living a joyful, peaceful and loving life assume we are living as apprentices.
How can we purchase a copy?
I thought you would never ask. Just kidding. I guess going through Amazon would be the easiest and least expensive.
http://www.amazon.com/Apprenticeship-Jesus-Learning-Live-Master/dp/080106841X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1254596961&sr=8-1
Give us your definition of Spiritual Formation.
I'd prefer to lower the microscope and define Christian spiritual formation. Christian spiritual formation is the process of allowing Christ to live His life through us-from the inside out-as we progressively surrender all of our insides to him. The classic spiritual disciplines are a primary means of being with God so that we can learn how to surrender our selves, all of ourselves, to him.
Now, formation is the easy part. To live is to be formed. We are formed while driving in traffic, watching TV commercials, reading books, just living life. But to be formed in a certain way-such as is the case with Christian spiritual formation, requires intentionality.
How do you personally practice the spiritual disciplines while keeping the attitude of Apprenticeship with Jesus?
The most effective thing I've ever done is to bookend each day with a two or three hour sabbatical time. That is, for the first and last two-or-three hours of the day I only allow myself to do things that are life-giving. That is what the idea of Sabbath means, doing things that restore the soul, things that are life giving. Bookends like this are a very helpful way for me to keep my natural "work-a-holism" in check and to make sure that each day has large blocks of time for being with God. Then, the real trick is to then attempt to live the in-between times with God, as His apprentice.
Tell us about your previous books.
As someone who likely has a pretty significant reading comprehension learning disability, I think I may have actually written more words than I've read. But the two most recent books I've written are Falling for God (Random House/Shaw) and Spiritual Direction and the Care of Souls (IVP).
What else can you add?
Just thank you for the questions and for all you do for the Kingdom. You might be the coolest pastor I know.
Along the way,
Chris Maxwell
Powerful Statement: Becoming an apprentice requires more than being with Jesus; it ultimately requires us to allow him to live his life through us. And that requires a personal cross, a place where all pretence of self-sufficiency must die.
(Gary Moon, Apprenticeship with Jesus: Learning to Live Like the Master)



